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	<title>Comments on: I Was a Teenage Parent Once</title>
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
		<link>http://archive.sharpesopinion.co.uk/2009/03/i-was-a-teenage-parent-once/#comment-1671</link>
		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Living on the pitiful sums that we pay out to individuals and families in order to keep the wolf from the door...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I wonder if Unity ever realises how many of the &lt;i&gt;true&lt;/i&gt; parasites, the ones who regard it as &#039;normal&#039; because generations have done it in their areas, have second jobs, work cash in hand, and steal.

No, probably not. Reality is hard to face. Better thy be helpless victims, deserving of socialist largesse instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;Living on the pitiful sums that we pay out to individuals and families in order to keep the wolf from the door&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>I wonder if Unity ever realises how many of the <i>true</i> parasites, the ones who regard it as &#8216;normal&#8217; because generations have done it in their areas, have second jobs, work cash in hand, and steal.</p>

	<p>No, probably not. Reality is hard to face. Better thy be helpless victims, deserving of socialist largesse instead.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ladytizzy</title>
		<link>http://archive.sharpesopinion.co.uk/2009/03/i-was-a-teenage-parent-once/#comment-1668</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, blimey. A row about statistics, cleaned of miscarriages and, one of the most useful aids to statisticians, a new base rate. The loss of data on miscarriages I find troubling since smoking, drinking, and drug-taking are associated with teenagers and live birth rates, and should not be ignored. Forget the data as given, unless we are given raw data.

&lt;q&gt;Births to teenage mothers are particularly likely to take place outside marriage. In 2000 almost nine in ten live births to women aged under 20 in England and Wales occurred outside marriage. Mothers in this age group are also the most likely to have a birth outside marriage registered without the father&#039;s details: just over a quarter (27 per cent) of births to teenage mothers were registered solely by the mother.&lt;/q&gt;
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=4985&amp;More=Y
(NB: they originally included all under 20, a spike that shows in Unity&#039;s graphs)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, blimey. A row about statistics, cleaned of miscarriages and, one of the most useful aids to statisticians, a new base rate. The loss of data on miscarriages I find troubling since smoking, drinking, and drug-taking are associated with teenagers and live birth rates, and should not be ignored. Forget the data as given, unless we are given raw data.</p>

	<p><q>Births to teenage mothers are particularly likely to take place outside marriage. In 2000 almost nine in ten live births to women aged under 20 in England and Wales occurred outside marriage. Mothers in this age group are also the most likely to have a birth outside marriage registered without the father&#8217;s details: just over a quarter (27 per cent) of births to teenage mothers were registered solely by the mother.</q><br />
<a href="http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=4985&amp;More=Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=4985&amp;More=Y</a><br />
(NB: they originally included all under 20, a spike that shows in Unity&#8217;s graphs)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Blue Eyes</title>
		<link>http://archive.sharpesopinion.co.uk/2009/03/i-was-a-teenage-parent-once/#comment-1663</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.

&quot;benefits culture is a myth&quot;

This is bollocks.  Unity makes the mistake (which many people do, all the time) of believing that everyone shares his values.  *Most* people would not choose to live on welfare, but it is a myth that it is not highly profitable for some people. My family is very much a middle-class, hard-work-pays, etc. culture, but my cousin (a highly intelligent guy) and the mother of his daughter (a highly intelligent woman) played the system to great effect.  The pair lived apart because it was not profitable to live together.  They did not marry because it was not profitable to do so.  They rented subsidised flats in the same building and although they had separate addresses lived together.  The mother always described herself as &quot;professionally unemployed&quot;.  Her premise was that there would always be X million unemployed, why should it not be her?

As Mr Harris says, there are many people who have been talked so far down by socialism that they think they have nothing to offer, then the welfare state steps in and tells them they can make money out of parenthood.  I think that is wrong on so many different levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Great post.</p>

	<p>&#8220;benefits culture is a myth&#8221;</p>

	<p>This is <acronym title="bollocks">********</acronym>.  Unity makes the mistake (which many people do, all the time) of believing that everyone shares his values.  <strong>Most</strong> people would not choose to live on welfare, but it is a myth that it is not highly profitable for some people. My family is very much a middle-class, hard-work-pays, etc. culture, but my cousin (a highly intelligent guy) and the mother of his daughter (a highly intelligent woman) played the system to great effect.  The pair lived apart because it was not profitable to live together.  They did not marry because it was not profitable to do so.  They rented subsidised flats in the same building and although they had separate addresses lived together.  The mother always described herself as &#8220;professionally unemployed&#8221;.  Her premise was that there would always be X million unemployed, why should it not be her?</p>

	<p>As Mr Harris says, there are many people who have been talked so far down by socialism that they think they have nothing to offer, then the welfare state steps in and tells them they can make money out of parenthood.  I think that is wrong on so many different levels.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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